Posts by Klaus Vollmer

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-13-05 WT Study (Education)

by blondie in

review comments will be in red

wt material from todays wt will be in black

quotes from other sources will be blue

Klaus Vollmer

I am too one who was forbidden to obtain a higher school graduate because of 1975. I remember how the elders spoke: do you want to become king on a sinking ship?

Finally I studied later and made my diploma in economics what helps me today to gain income. The poor suggestions in the WT to learn plumber or hairdresser is a fake. hairdressers earn never enough money to suppport their family with enough to live, even a pioneer who works in a half time job would not earn enough to pay for his flat and living.

Those men in the writing department are people who have everyday their food on the tabel, having their dresses made and living in a golden cage.

I reject their ideas to leave the children in simple education and I reject the behavior of the COs. I remember some years ago the CO came and taleke about an old brother who is teacher. he wondered that this brother became an elder.

In the discussion with friends and familiy members we come to the conclusion that a single JW , a dub, is like a pelican: open up the beak and eat up all the junk food they provide you with.

A slave who slaves his own desires is a bad slave. A slave who makes people poor by gaining them bad conscience in education is a slave who should be buried in a forbidden book and disappear in a hidden library.

Their arrogance in being fit to teach us what we should or not is topped by their self understanding to pay obedience to god by being obedient to the slave who has to bind up his trousers that he does not leave to much shit in the world.

A cult starts in defining behaviors.

I only want to say that I am convinced that the break down of this ivory castle will take place with a great crash. Watchtower is slain by education that works effective.

greatings from Tilewater

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Green song book over 30 years old. Need the name please.

by Burden in

i want to find a copy and the name of the green song book.

not the pink one, nor the brown one.

it is will over 30 years old.

Klaus Vollmer

hello Burden, this book was in use during the 50ies and sixties. We in Germany got a new one - in pink or violett - in sprinig 69 to learn already for the international congress that took place in Nuremburg in august 69

For you information: the green one was named in German Lieder zum Preise Jehovas in English songs for the praise of Jehovah. It had 91 songs.

The song 91 was played in Sweden when Olof Palme was buried after his assassination and the song 11 was written in the concentration camp, it is today in the new book too, but shortendend. Thats all I know.

But I know that the brothers missed some songs

Klaus

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Convention Drama, an example of Anachronistic Propaganda

by VM44 in

the recent 2005 "godly obedience" convention drama is an example of an anachronism!

and of propaganda!.

so why is the dram an example of anachronistic propaganda?.

Klaus Vollmer

it is a drama with the WTS. There was a time where high education was banned and people with that level had no chance to climb the ladder of the carrier in the cong.

Some yeears ago WTS demonstrated everywhere that they are in accordance to the world as they longed for the public aceptance as church ( eg in Germany)

so they threw on their DCs in demonstrations a lot of young people, all with high shcool level, to show that the doctrine is not against bettereducation.

When you read the WT from the WT study today you can read in the study article that JW parents also take care for a good education fior their children.

And we need in a globalizing world better chances for our children - even when Armageddon is at hand.

who does know when and how will someone take care for his family, being present in all meetings and have enough income to visit congresses?

All they want from you is gtto make the impossible possible.

it is an only anachronism.

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Corrupting historical facts

by Hellrider in

at the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.

he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.

http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.

Klaus Vollmer

I guess we dont need scholars, any astronomers and so on.

The bible itsself explains the correct date. Please read the posting from Honesty again.

It is the matter, that thsi fact, Zechariah chapter 7, cannot be thrown from the desk.

WE read there about the 70 years in regard to the assassination of Gedaliah, demonstrated by fastening.

So we recognize: The bible itsself gives us clear information. For what should we use any studied head - in regard to the latest district convention is high education nothing for us in the high time of the end.

So my invitation: dont make such people a desk where they sell their books to get their earnings.

SWave the money or give Simon a donation that he keeps this site alive.

Thank you Simon, for the possibility to share information here on a high level.

Klaus

22

WT response to your letters?

by Smiles in

have you ever sent letters to the wt society and if so what was their response to you?.

did they send you an informative reply?.

did they send you a smug reply?.

Klaus Vollmer

Writing letters to that "slave"

brings your fatih deep into grave

As he does not want to reason

his UN-NGO Liason

Dirty was that ugly thing

which became a real sting

Why should I write a letter to a team of men who are nothing more than opportunists during the whole time of their experiences?

They disfelloship people who ask certain questions - that is know not only in the US/Ca region.

They dont like competition, competition of truth.

They like submission - under their law.

As they feel as those who have got each and everything by the Lord.

But when they awake they will notify that it was a nightmare and they are nothing more than people who know how to beat brethren.

Sorry for them. Their teeth gnashing is to be heard already.

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Why are beards so bad?

by bother_forever in

whats with the idelology behind jws that "bro's" with beards are undeserving of privledge and advacemet in their f**cked up org?

what jesus never had facial hair?

i remember hearing comments like " yes he's a lovely bro, but he'll not be used by the cong because he needs to shave his beard".

Klaus Vollmer

When you have the opportunity to get the old book "30 years slave " from William Schnell you will read that Schnell who was a German American and came back to Germany working in the former magdeburg Bethel where he reports that Rutherford came in the 20ies to visit the office.

It was the branch officer Balzereit - a guy Rutherford later send into desert and accused him falsely to have falsified the letter to Hitler - who had a beard liek Russell. but as Rutherford did not much like Russell he denied him certain investments. But Rutherford gave the utterance that Balzereit without beard would have better chances.

Schnell reports that half an hour later Balzereit surprised Rutherford totally shaved, having no kind of beard any more and has got then what he wanted.

This Rutherford gthinking seems to be still present. And "beard-off" still is a test, if the candidate is obedient to the orders from above.

They in the ivory tower or in their branche offices dont need people who use their own brain. they make people repeating the stuff they get from above without using conscience and mind.

The best example for that is the experience that in Germany and Luxemburg there was the valid practice that COs ordered the BoE to bring parents of molested children before a JC when they have gon to the court.

After the last elder school this is no more valid. The elders were not explained why the change. they had to eat it and to shut up.

Thats WT policy: no argument but obedience, a behavior to be compared with Narciss who did like himself so much that he lost reality.

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Would the Governing Body use a "Worldly Consulting Agency"? CIA?

by frankiespeakin in

jw
friends

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pros and cons please.

plenty of room for speculation!!!!

Klaus Vollmer

they dont need. As they are sitting on a place where they dont belong thaey have much power in that way that the simple JW accepts everything that stems from them.

and they have learned by history eg. The order "Socitey of Jesus" (Jesuits have too a governing body) or Macchiavelli ( his works tell how to eliminate peoples).

but in regard to their apporach they use typical marketing concepts since the times of the judge.

22

Are Bethelites more likely to leave the JWs than others?

by Gill in

have you any experience of families whose sons have gone off to bethel and then decided to not have any more contact with their family and jws at all very soon after returning?.

i ask this question because i know of two families where this has been the case.. the first family had three sons who one after the other went to the london bether to 'serve' within a couple of years of eachother.. after three years there all three returned home completely different people.

they then left home, left dub land, two married non jws and another lives with his girlfriend.

Klaus Vollmer

Katiekitten here is the liondon branch office number: JW Bethel Mill Hill: 0208 906 2211

0044-208-9062211 international

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Drama at DC in KC

by stillajwexelder in

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well basically it was aimed at youths and was all about timothy and the apostle paul.

it was rammed down everybodys throat --no college- get pionerring just like timothy

Klaus Vollmer

no college means no quality in education. expressis verbis: nobody should learn how to question doctrine or with the voice of a nurse: come on babe, eat the oatsmeal.

I remember some years ago a DC where on the platform only had be young people with maturity. That was brought to light permanently and I think it should give a signe to authorities that JWs are "very normal" citizens.

When they start now a "no college" strategy again it seems that they have reached any political targets and they now can go on in their opportune strategies.

It is really a chameleon believe JWs have, changing the coulor to the environment, the flag to the wind.

But they must pay atttention when they leave a big fart that the wind does not change.

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Gerrit Loesch GB Speaker at KC convention

by stillajwexelder in

gerritt loesch was the gb speaker today at the kc convention - and what a boring old fart he was - i fell asleep and so did my wife

Klaus Vollmer

this Austrian fella deserves to take a boat ride on the Danube. that he is an ivory tower chief seems to be an happening like another Austrian became chief of the UN in the 70ies Mr. Waldheim.

The Austrians are more German than the Germans - reasoned by their singing dialect especially those from Vienna.

Gerrit would have better done to stay in Austria and eat a Salzburg Nockerl than a burger and french fries in NY.

He is to old for reforming the GB and to young to have heavenly hope when you take the date 1935 as measure.

Gerrit, leave the US and go back to Austria, enjoy life there. The ivory tower will fall, thats why you should leave it.

Klaus from Baden